Keith McCandless – On Liberating Structures

You could say I’m mildly obsessed with how to tap into deeper sources of knowing.  To me, it feels as though there is this vast reservoir of untapped potential just beyond the reach of conventional means of access.  How do we tap into this and can we magnify it through a collective process?

I have found that one of the gateways to this deeper potential revolves around presence and a sense of safe space.  But often, something more is needed – something to break through the habituated patterns of behavior that most people have grown accustomed to.  As humans, we tend to be naturally guarded and self-protective creatures of habit.  And yet, the promise of collective intelligence lies just beyond the boundary of our comfort zone.  How do we dissolve these self-imposed limitations?

I spoke with Keith McCandless this week, one of the co-creators of Liberating Structures.  Liberating Structures are a collection of simple, inclusive, and fun interaction templates designed to facilitate generative engagement.  Keith calls it simultaneously and mutually shaping the future.

The idea is that each moment offers a new view of what’s happening simultaneously to each participant and the mutual sharing of perspectives or data reshapes the space in which you can make choices.  Thus something truly new is generated by collectively tapping into the richness of what’s present.

We cover a range of topics including leadership in the context of collective intelligence and the importance of being in charge but not in control.  Keith shares, “our conventional habits are so fully engrained it really takes some strength from the leader or strength from everyone not to fall back into the old behaviors which are unwittingly exclusive, unwittingly stifling, of the richness that’s available to us all the time.”

There are so many things I learned in this conversation, from the origin story of Liberating Structures to the complexity science theory that underpins their architecture and the simple philosophy that makes them so effective.  I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did.

Gabriel Mugar – On Being in Awe of People

One of the most important and challenging aspects inherent in community building is having a clear sense of shared purpose.  Without this, community often lacks substance and lasting stability.  I’ve seen this echoed through many conversations as well as my own personal experience.  But how does one cultivate and communicate this understanding?

Sometimes I like to fantasize that there is some sort of obscure magical formula for bringing people together in community.  But, what I find more often than not, is that much of it is just deep listening and clear communication.

My last conversation with Gabriel Mugar really brought this point home.  Gabe is a design researcher at Ideo.  In the past, his research has looked at how digital platforms used for knowledge production and civic engagement shape and constrain opportunities for volunteer participation and learning.  His community journey started in 2004 when he founded the Transformative Culture Project as a way to harness the economic power of creative arts for youth and community development.  He received his PhD from Syracuse University and was most recently a faculty member at the Emerson College Engagement Lab.

Gabe is something of a professional listener and offers some of his research refined approaches to understanding a community more deeply.  We talk about the role of listening, communication, feedback, and participation in the functioning of healthy community.

Gabe shares that “the mindset that you want to have is one of being in awe of people.  You should see people and their day to day routines as the most amazing thing you’ve ever seen because that’s what’s going to open up your mind to the experiences that are happening in front of you.”

Every time I speak with Gabe, I walk away with pages and pages of valuable notes that I apply to my own work.  This conversation is no different and offers insight into deep listening, community design, and participation dynamics from Gabe’s many years of academic and professional research.

Please enjoy our conversation.

Denise Easton – On Complexity

I was recently introduced to the field of complexity science. Broadly speaking, complexity recognizes that certain systems are more than the sum of their parts. A traditional approach to understanding a system might look at it the way a mechanic looks at a machine. If you can understand what each component does, you can understand the whole. But some systems, like organizations and communities or, say, the global human ecosystem, are more than the sum of their individual parts. They are complex.

What I particularly appreciate about this recognition is that it acknowledges an aspect of the unknown. So much human effort goes towards the pursuit of certainty at the expense of not knowing. I recently spoke with about this with Denise Easton. Denise shares that there is a sweet spot between chaos and certainty that is optimal for constructive creativity and this is where complexity thinking can help gain a better understanding. Whether it’s an organization, a community, or a movement like #metoo, applying a complexity lens can bring awareness to the emergent potential of a system.

Denise leads the Plexus Institute, a professional community that addresses real-world challenges through approaches rooted in complexity theory. She co-authored the book Complexity Works! Influencing Pattern-Based Change in Teams & Organizations, and is the co-founder of Complexity Space Consulting, an organization that helps companies cultivate profitable and innovative business practices through complexity thinking.

A complex system is the part, the whole, and the greater than the whole. Denise highlights a process of iterative inquiry and embodied awareness building that helps us see the reality and the potential of a system. In her own words, “Lurking behind every exchange that we have with somebody is an opportunity to discover something that has not been discovered.”

Waël Mechri-Yver – On Building Community in the City of Individuality

I recently heard a quote that really struck: “Infinite patience produces immediate results” (ACIM).  There is a zen wisdom to this that could apply to any aspect of life.  I think about it in the context of my own work building community online.  Every authentic human relationship is unique and bringing people together in ways that are real and meaningful takes humility and patience.

Recently, I spoke with Waël Mechri-Yver, the founder of BABËL New York and GOSPËL.  Waël was inspired by Burning Man to create a new kind of social experience based on co-creation and creativity.  Five years and 150 events in, Waël shares that there’s no shortcut to building community.  The mastery is in showing up and delivering value over and over again.  Repetition and consistency is the best community builder.

Waël has been involved with world-renowned hotspots including the mega-club of Paris, Cirque Bonheur, which he co-founded and gave music and creative direction to, Papagayo in St. Tropez for which he was artistic director for a season, and the revamped Marquee in New York whose re-launch he collaborated on to bring fresh air to the Marquee brand.

Waël shares his journey and an approach to building community that honors individuality through collective participation.  Listen closely to pick up the subtle ways that Babel has built a lasting platform for human connection in one of the toughest cities in the world.

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Macaco Tamerice – On Living Together

A few weeks ago I watched a profound documentary called Wild Wild Country. It chronicles the story of spiritual leader Osho and his followers as they attempt to build a utopian communal city on US soil in the early 1980s. The effort did not end well, but watching the movie, I was struck with a deep desire to see it succeed. I wanted to believe that living in community like that could actually work.

My guest today has been living in one of the oldest and most successful spiritual communities in Europe for over 20 years. Damanhur is located in northern Italy and is famous for its Temples of Humankind – a massive 11 story excavation dug out of the inside of a mountain by hand by the residents of Damanhur who settled there some forty years ago.

In addition to serving as an ambassador of international community relations at Damanhur, Macaco Tamerice was the president of the Global Ecovillage Network from 2010 until 2015. She now represents the Global Ecovillage Network at the UN and serves as the president of the non-profit Damanhur Education organization. She consults with ecovillages around the world helping them make community living work.

We spoke at length about what makes Damanhur such a successful community, how they handle conflict and governance, and recipes for living together. Communal living is an emerging phenomenon of our time. All sorts of co-living communities are popping up around New York City (and the world no doubt) and many people I’ve spoken with are trying to deconstruct how living together can work in the twenty first century.

Macaco shares wisdom on the relationship between the individual and the collective, highlighting that far from being mutually exclusive, the two reinforce and support each other.

Please enjoy our conversation.

John Marshall Roberts – On the Key to Enlightened Leadership

Recently, I’ve been reflecting on my path and its fulfillment.  At times, it can feel as if there is an ongoing spiral that oscillates between clarity and not knowing.  I have been learning how to live with this oscillation and learning to listen for whatever wisdom it might contain.  Often, the wisdom is precisely to cultivate a comfort with the unknown.

As much as I might hope to squeeze the future into a to do list, the future that I want to be a part of is well beyond my individual agenda.  In a recent conversation with John Marshall Roberts, he shares the power of personal purpose without personal agenda.  We unravel this seeming paradox and find empathy key to enlightened leadership.

I love this part – “If we’re being authentic about what we’re here to do, then it’s never been done before.  We’re a unique fingerprint.  If we find our calling, it’s never been done and we have to communicate with people who’ve never seen this before.  Empathy becomes a tool that we can use to help move them along to that next stage.”

I first encountered John in 2012 when I saw a TED talk he gave on empathy.  John is a behavioral scientist and empathy researcher and has been invited to share his research by a variety of leading global for profit, non-profit and governmental organizations including the US White House, UCLA, Unilever, 3M, Sprint, Time Warner, General Mills, and a who’s who of other fortune 500 companies.

John explains how empathy works, specific ways to cultivate and teach it, and how the most inspiring leaders of our time have used empathy to create profound change.  He offers an enlightened middle ground where agenda emerges and evolves through empathy and surrender.

John has opened within me a deep appreciation for the power not trying to fix the world.  If you enjoy our conversation, please read his four part series on inner change and transformational leadership.

Dina Kaplan – On Building a Community and a Business

It is interesting for me to observe how minor challenges that I experience and ignore are sometimes transformed into meaningful opportunities by other people.  I remember moving to New York in late 2011 and looking for a place to meditate.  It was hard finding anything and the places that I did find didn’t quite feel right.  So I just meditated at home.

Around the same time my friend Dina Kaplan was getting burned out on start up life running Blip.TV.  She took a couple of years off to go traveling, and, while in India, discovered meditation and felt called to make this her life’s work.  Returning to New York, she found the options for meditation lacking and started hosting her own gatherings.

Now Dina is the founder of The Path which hosts weekly sits, courses, retreats, and teacher training programs oriented around a modern approach to mindfulness.  She’s been covered by the New York Times, The New Yorker, Forbes, Elle, The New York Post, The Sunday Times, Business Insider, and a host of other prominent publications.

I suspect Dina might have a something of PR super power.  I was intrigued to hear how she described her relationship to press coverage:

I can just see the story, what it should look like and how to make it work for publication.  I can visualize it and pitch it and then it always happens.

She visualizes it and then it happens.  I’ll have to try that.

I spoke with Dina about her journey building The Path as both a community and a business.  Dina talks about becoming an authentic human being and shares her open hearted approach to the New York hustle, something she calls the economy of favors.  Next month, she’s hosting a conscious leadership retreat for business leaders, founders, scientists, and creatives of all types.  Entrepreneur Magazine calls it a TED-like event for meditators.  If you enjoy our conversation, please check out her MELA retreat.

Omar Bah – On Overcoming Adversity

When people ask me who my heroes are, I have a hard time answering.  It’s hard to know a person from afar and, for me personally, I have a hard time applying such a grand label without having a more direct experience of a person.  After interviewing Omar Bah, I can honestly say he’s one of my heroes.

This conversation blew me away.

Omar is a torture survivor, former journalist and refugee from The Gambia in West Africa.  Before he escaped his country he was beaten and stabbed with rifle bayonets until he bled to unconsciousness.  When the government found out that he was providing foreign media with information about local corruption, they put a ransom on his life.  He narrowly escaped and was eventually resettled to Providence, Rhode Island.

Arriving in the US in 2007 he had no family, no friends, and no resources.  On top of that he was highly traumatized from his experiences and had no idea that he was suffering from PTSD.  He literally wanted to die.  Today, a little over 10 years later, Omar is the founder of the Refugee Dream Center, a community organization serving the refugee population of Rhode Island.  Omar is also the author of the book, Africa’s Hell on Earth, and he represents the state of Rhode Island at the Refugee Congress of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees in Washington, DC.

Omar’s salvation came in realizing that he wasn’t alone.  Many other refugees were struggling just as he was.  In fact, Omar was fortunate to speak English.  He used the same activist inspiration that got him in trouble back home, to become involved with the local refugee population.  Since that time Omar has built a thriving non-profit organization serving local refugees and creating deep community between American and foreign cultures.

What comes through Omar’s story the most though, is his deep humanity.  His suffering has left him with a deep empathy for the human condition and a transcendent view of issues related to nationality and religion.

In this conversation listen to Omar share how he overcame wanting to die, how he built the Refugee Dream Center community, and the personal philosophy that underlies his work.

Adam Yukelson – On Listening and Not Knowing

Learning how to be with the unknown and bringing awareness to what wants to emerge has been an evolving practice for me.  I’ve spent so much energy resisting the unknown.  It is this vast expanse that stretches before me and try as I might to shine a light onto its path, it remains shrouded in mystery.  It can be so uncomfortable to just sit with this.

Yet this mystery is also the source of creativity, insight, and possibility.  Newness and the unknown go hand in hand – if something is known, then it is not new.

Recently, I had a chance to speak with Adam Yukelson, an action researcher with the Presencing Institute, whose work has inspired much of the thinking behind Sutra.  Adam shares that it is a willingness to suspend what you believe, what you think, what you know, and just be open to the vast and groundless experience of not knowing that opens us up for something new to emerge.  Thus something new is “generated” – something that was not there before.

Adam has been heavily involved with the creation of the MITx course ULab: Leading from the Emerging Future.  Their online work has reached over 100,000 people from 183 countries and is seen as a model for how to blend online and offline elements to create transformative learning environments.

We touch on Adam’s experience evolving the course, building community through generative interactions, and understanding deeper sources of knowing.  The ULab course has profoundly influenced my way of being in the world and I highly recommend this interview to anyone interested in architecting co-creative interactions.  If you enjoy the conversation, please check out their Transforming Capitalism Lab which is ongoing right now.

Hari Kaur – On Listening, Humility, and Gratitude

Recently I have been experimenting with a new approach to life and work – letting go of my agenda.  This has been somewhat counter intuitive as an entrepreneur and, honestly, I’m still figuring out the practical implications.

Much of it though, has to do with listening – both inwardly and outwardly.  A few weeks ago I spoke with Hari Kaur who highlighted an interesting way of listening to the micro and macro truth in a situation.  There is the micro truth that we often listen for, the truth of what a person is saying in the moment.  And then there is the broader truth of the full situation.  That person’s history, where they are coming from, what they’re dealing with.

That macro truth is where I often find my compassion and empathy.  It’s where I have to really look past my agenda – what I want and how I see the world – to listen with my full being.  That kind of listening is where I’ve learned (and am continuously learning) to accept people as they are – and, in turn, myself as I am.

Hari shares one of her favorite prayers, the Hawaiian Ho’oponopono:

I love you
I’m sorry
Please forgive me
Thank you

“When we repeat these words to ourselves, our listening can become more sensitive and more willing to let somebody make a mistake or not represent themselves perfectly.” – Hari Kaur

Hari has been a close friend and mentor for years.  She is a world renowned legacy teacher of Kundalini Yoga and meditation and has been teaching for almost 30 years.  She worked alongside Yogi Bhajan directing his teacher training programs for 10 years and is part of the first wave of yoga teachers that pioneered the teaching of Kundalini yoga and meditation in the west.  She’s written two books, a Woman’s Book of Meditation and a Woman’s Book of Yoga, and has created one of the most popular courses on Sutra, the Illumined Woman, with a vision to empower women at all stages of life.

In this podcast we explore a variety of subjects, from how she met Yogi Bhajan to the challenges of community and how she deals with tricky group situations.  Hari shares her profound wisdom on listening, humility, and gratitude.  If you enjoy the discussion, please checkout her upcoming online women’s meditation course launching on May 14th, or stop by her studio in New York City.